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Post by ash on Sept 19, 2016 13:17:48 GMT -5
Positive crumbs of representation? Or callous (even homophobic!) exploitation of LGBTQ consumers, prioritising the comfort of straights? Do refer to examples if you're thinking of something specific - all baiting is not created equal. Or is it? Is it #NotTrueBaiting if it's a reference which is meant to be taken as truth, or done in good faith? And is this different to ' Dumbledoring' - where the 'representation' exists only outside of the text? |
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Post by Anandrine on Sept 19, 2016 13:29:59 GMT -5
OOH GOOD TOPIC
queerbaiting to me refers to the practice of putting some subtext-y stuff in an attempt to draw an lgbt audience, and/or playing up your lgbt audience, with the intent of never delivering. rizzoli & isles and sherlock bbc are classic examples i can think of.
dumbledoring i think is totally different. but a good word/concept to have! there were no deliberate hints that dumbledore was gay in the books, though some people caught on. if it's revealed in retrospect, it was't used to "bait" an lgbt audience, but i do think it's still a form of trying to capitalize on us.
i DO think time and intent are important. i get super upset when people refer to xena/gabrielle as queerbaiting! yes, it's true neither of them ever said "we are lesbianing together" and they did do one episode that kinda played on the "are they or aren't they" debate--but it was also beyond subtext, the two of them were extremely physically affectionate, called each other soulmates, and it was demonstrated that in all different eras and universes, they would find each other and love each other. (and episode commentaries/interviews after the fact confirm it) for a show in the 90s i think the intent was genuine and obvious, and the only thing it fell short on was actually having the two of them get hitched at the end.
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Post by eilonnwy on Sept 20, 2016 19:52:13 GMT -5
I just hate that after the 100 people claimed it was queerbaiting bc the writer went into a forum and said she wasn't going to die, and like i felt after that the term has lost meaning, and i hate that it has a slur in it anyway. i think at this point in tv people are more willing to actually have lgbt characters, but treat them right and keep them alive? pfft
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